Comments on: New Calvinism: A Beginner’s Guide http://www.fallenandflawed.com/new-calvinism-a-beginners-guide/ Quick and dirty guide to living a vivid, meaningful Christian life Sat, 13 Mar 2010 17:35:58 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Demian Farnworth http://www.fallenandflawed.com/new-calvinism-a-beginners-guide/comment-page-1/#comment-6744 Demian Farnworth Mon, 01 Mar 2010 22:10:23 +0000 http://www.fallenandflawed.com/?p=1435#comment-6744 Vish, yes, the list could go on! to include you and me and Gregory and... And indicator that we actually do need a savior, wouldn't you a gree? Vish, yes, the list could go on! to include you and me and Gregory and…

And indicator that we actually do need a savior, wouldn’t you a gree?

]]> By: Vish http://www.fallenandflawed.com/new-calvinism-a-beginners-guide/comment-page-1/#comment-6704 Vish Sun, 28 Feb 2010 18:22:02 +0000 http://www.fallenandflawed.com/?p=1435#comment-6704 As far as the servetus issue is concerned I don't think Calvin is alone...Luther was atleast responsible in part for the holocaust, since he not only inspired Hitler, but also influenced the german view of jews through his violently vulgar book "Jews and their Lies"...Zwingli is also purported to play a role in the drowning of some anabaptists...Jonathan edwards wrote a sermon in defense of slavery...the dutch reformed church was a cruel spectator to the apartheid movement...the Southern baptists have a history founded on racism...Top christian leaders signed a letter addressed to Pres. Bush to go ahead with the Iraq war. Bill bright,one of the leaders, in the letter argued from a "Just war" theological perspective. Ironically, the war was not only a disaster but was actually "unjust" since a decision for the war took place without any conclusive evidence of WMD's. ...and I guess the list goes on and on! May God save the church! As far as the servetus issue is concerned I don’t think Calvin is alone…Luther was atleast responsible in part for the holocaust, since he not only inspired Hitler, but also influenced the german view of jews through his violently vulgar book “Jews and their Lies”…Zwingli is also purported to play a role in the drowning of some anabaptists…Jonathan edwards wrote a sermon in defense of slavery…the dutch reformed church was a cruel spectator to the apartheid movement…the Southern baptists have a history founded on racism…Top christian leaders signed a letter addressed to Pres. Bush to go ahead with the Iraq war. Bill bright,one of the leaders, in the letter argued from a “Just war” theological perspective. Ironically, the war was not only a disaster but was actually “unjust” since a decision for the war took place without any conclusive evidence of WMD’s.

…and I guess the list goes on and on!

May God save the church!

]]> By: At Last! Dead Puritans Learn How to Blog | Fallen and Flawed http://www.fallenandflawed.com/new-calvinism-a-beginners-guide/comment-page-1/#comment-6558 At Last! Dead Puritans Learn How to Blog | Fallen and Flawed Fri, 19 Feb 2010 16:49:33 +0000 http://www.fallenandflawed.com/?p=1435#comment-6558 [...] this shouldn’t surprise us either. We are in the age of new Calvinism and its patrons are simply doing their [...] [...] this shouldn’t surprise us either. We are in the age of new Calvinism and its patrons are simply doing their [...]

]]> By: Demian Farnworth http://www.fallenandflawed.com/new-calvinism-a-beginners-guide/comment-page-1/#comment-6063 Demian Farnworth Wed, 03 Feb 2010 19:48:30 +0000 http://www.fallenandflawed.com/?p=1435#comment-6063 Thanks Mr. Wilson. I appreciate the encouragement. And just so you know, your last two comments fell through the cracks. I hope to get some time to work through them. Thank you for your kindness. Thanks Mr. Wilson. I appreciate the encouragement.

And just so you know, your last two comments fell through the cracks. I hope to get some time to work through them.

Thank you for your kindness.

]]> By: Gregory Wilson http://www.fallenandflawed.com/new-calvinism-a-beginners-guide/comment-page-1/#comment-6046 Gregory Wilson Wed, 03 Feb 2010 14:56:09 +0000 http://www.fallenandflawed.com/?p=1435#comment-6046 Demian Farnworth choose a religious history that promotes kindness and does not have violent coercion to get people to believe as part of its nature to place yourself. Just look at when a particular group of people have had political power and you will see their true nature. And Calvinists do not far well. I wish you well in your spiritual walk. Rev. Gregory Wilson Demian Farnworth choose a religious history that promotes kindness and does not have violent coercion to get people to believe as part of its nature to place yourself. Just look at when a particular group of people have had political power and you will see their true nature. And Calvinists do not far well.
I wish you well in your spiritual walk. Rev. Gregory Wilson

]]> By: Gregory Wilson http://www.fallenandflawed.com/new-calvinism-a-beginners-guide/comment-page-1/#comment-4827 Gregory Wilson Thu, 07 Jan 2010 16:38:25 +0000 http://www.fallenandflawed.com/?p=1435#comment-4827 you might read <a href="http://www.britannica.com/bps/additionalcontent/18/21164648/Pastoral-Care-East-of-Eden-The-Consistory-of-Geneva-156882" rel="nofollow">this</a>. Church History, June 2006 by Scott M. Manetsch you might read this.

Church History, June 2006 by Scott M. Manetsch

]]> By: Gregory Wilson http://www.fallenandflawed.com/new-calvinism-a-beginners-guide/comment-page-1/#comment-4826 Gregory Wilson Thu, 07 Jan 2010 16:22:46 +0000 http://www.fallenandflawed.com/?p=1435#comment-4826 The brutality of that age is well documented. In Roland H. Bainton, The reformation of the Sixteenth Century on pages 115 - 122 you can get a glimsp. I must say it was a turbulent time. However there where Christian communities that did kill others for not believing a particular interpretation of the scriptures. I choice to follow those lines of thinking that promoted kindness and peace from the beginning of their movement . You can see in the Calvinist movement of today a restrictiveness and a movement to legislate morality. I like the words of Bernard Meland. This contrast may be stated as the difference between the creative and the controlled way of life; between the good life sought though the ideal of art, and the goodness of life achieved through moral effort. Art is concerned with creating life; morality with controlling it. Art impels men to seek new orders of value and to synthesize them in an expression of unity; morality tends to preserve established orders of value and to resist possible new syntheses that threaten to impair existent values. Morality strives to make the world safe to live in. Art seeks to make it worth living in. Art is experimental. Morality is conservative. Art leads toward a creative and venturesome way of living; morality toward a controlled mode of existence. (1:53) Freedom verses controlled and forced goodness by punishment. I trust the holy spirits guidance far greater than man's law to make us conform to god's will. The brutality of that age is well documented. In Roland H. Bainton, The reformation of the Sixteenth Century on pages 115 – 122 you can get a glimsp. I must say it was a turbulent time.
However there where Christian communities that did kill others for not believing a particular interpretation of the scriptures. I choice to follow those lines of thinking that promoted kindness and peace from the beginning of their movement . You can see in the Calvinist movement of today a restrictiveness and a movement to legislate morality. I like the words of Bernard Meland.
This contrast may be stated as the difference between the creative and the controlled way of life; between the good life sought though the ideal of art, and the goodness of life achieved through moral effort. Art is concerned with creating life; morality with controlling it. Art impels men to seek new orders of value and to synthesize them in an expression of unity; morality tends to preserve established orders of value and to resist possible new syntheses that threaten to impair existent values. Morality strives to make the world safe to live in. Art seeks to make it worth living in. Art is experimental. Morality is conservative. Art leads toward a creative and venturesome way of living; morality toward a controlled mode of existence. (1:53)

Freedom verses controlled and forced goodness by punishment. I trust the holy spirits guidance far greater than man’s law to make us conform to god’s will.

]]> By: Demian Farnworth http://www.fallenandflawed.com/new-calvinism-a-beginners-guide/comment-page-1/#comment-4807 Demian Farnworth Thu, 07 Jan 2010 02:30:35 +0000 http://www.fallenandflawed.com/?p=1435#comment-4807 No sir, don't know which ones you are referring, too. Btw, I read history, too, but coming away with a different POV. You must be reading more than me. *winks* No sir, don’t know which ones you are referring, too.

Btw, I read history, too, but coming away with a different POV. You must be reading more than me. *winks*

]]> By: Gregory Wilson http://www.fallenandflawed.com/new-calvinism-a-beginners-guide/comment-page-1/#comment-4761 Gregory Wilson Tue, 05 Jan 2010 02:34:37 +0000 http://www.fallenandflawed.com/?p=1435#comment-4761 Both Calvinist and followers of Luther killed people that did believe the doctrine or belief systems they set forth as true. Some of the beliefs from the Catholics were different but the consequences for not agreeing was the same. Are you a where of the rules of Geneva that Calvin implemented? Both Calvinist and followers of Luther killed people that did believe the doctrine or belief systems they set forth as true. Some of the beliefs from the Catholics were different but the consequences for not agreeing was the same. Are you a where of the rules of Geneva that Calvin implemented?

]]> By: Gregory Wilson http://www.fallenandflawed.com/new-calvinism-a-beginners-guide/comment-page-1/#comment-4760 Gregory Wilson Tue, 05 Jan 2010 02:32:17 +0000 http://www.fallenandflawed.com/?p=1435#comment-4760 I read history. I read history.

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