I’m kind of worked up here. For once I really do disagree with you Demian.. David’s points are not good. C’mon. Where is the logical and compelling argument here?? Where is the Jesus-like compassion??

Of course Pres. Obama is not pro-life. It’s pretty rare to hear anyone say they’re “pro-abortion,” rather, pro-choice is acceptable term for those who believe abortion should be the right of every woman.

And that is what Obama believes. We need not argue about his position and try and make him sound pro-life because we want him to be. Simply google his position and voting record. Strip away the rhetoric and here is what’s left: abortion is a right for every woman at any point of her pregnancy (and in some cases even after the baby is born!!!) and should remain so indefinitely. Saying that he is secretly trying to get rid of abortion by helping women feel loved?! Sorry, not buying it. And not buying that if that were his strategy that it would work.

Speculating about the “mindset” of the President on supporting abortion as a means of getting rid of it (as if we know him personally) is silly. It’s as silly as if I said I think the intent of his heart is that he really thinks being gay is wrong, which is why he declared June LGBT month. That would be pure speculation (and logically false).

And neither Pres Bush nor Pres Obama are able to have a direct impact on abortion. It’s not their role. The biggest thing they can do is to appoint judges and sign and veto bills written by the legislature. But they can influence the opinion of a nation.

Let me say this, as someone who has labored for many years, in many capacities for the cause of life, I wish that more Christians would take up this cause and quit being embarrassed by it. Get a holy ambition. Decide that it *is* something worth uniting and dividing over.

No, being pro-life isn’t fashionable. It’s even less fashionable now that it’s so passe. It’s so boring now, right? Haven’t we all been down this road? Why are we still getting worked up about the same old thing? Why can’t we move on to something more chic in the evangelical world like race relations? I mean really, talking about abortion just divides us.. and it’s soo uncomfortable. Those pictures of the procedure; how ugly, they might make someone feel bad. Let’s just get over it and move on, huh?

I’ll tell you why so many of us won’t get over this issue: because it’s life and death. We won’t get over it because actual babies, knit together by the Creator, His image-bearers, are being slaughtered. I’m glad that abolitionists didn’t get over slavery. One day I hope that’s what this issue will resemble.

And there are still compelling arguments to be made for life. Many relate exactly to the race issue. Abortion has become the new racism; the new sexism.
http://abigailsleftovers.wordpress.com/2009/01/31/abortion-race-and-the-deceit-of-intentions/

I assume you are pro-life, Demian. I don’t question that. I just would love a more vigorous defense of the babies being slaughtered while we wait for women to get more “loved.” Pro-choicers believe that they are *loving* women by allowing them to get an abortion.

Loving women means a lot of things, but it doesn’t mean making it their right to kill what is a miraculous gift from the Creator. That is hating women. And it’s hating the little women that they are killing.

Yes, I feel strongly about this. Yes, I hate Obama’s view on this. And yes, I am praying for him and hoping he changes.

Sorry for the comment spew.

Passionate for God’s glory to be displayed in the womb and outside,
Abigail

Never did Obama say he was pro-abortion. His mindset is rather, we need to focus on reducing unwanted pregnancies as opposed to focusing on these debates that have divided us for decades. Did we not have a pro-life president in office for eight years? And yet abortions did not go down, but increased during that time.

Perhaps Obama realizes that saying that he is pro-life isn’t going to get him anywhere. Perhaps he believes is that as President he may be able to make some positive Christian change (however small it may be) by bringing everyone together, instead of dividing us, and by loving the people he meets.

And perhaps this will ultimately be the cure for abortion. If more and more women feel loved in this world, then I would guess that less women would want to do abortion. That’s my theory.

If I say hear someone say “I support Obama” I would think that they mean they support his policies. I would hate for anyone to think for one nanosecond that I support his policy of unrestricted abortion. I don’t think babies are punishment (as he has said) in any circumstance.

That said, I do want the very best for him. I don’t want his presidency bogged down with reprehensible legislation that drags his name through the historical mud. So, I want his policies/agendas to fail…because (in my estimation) that would be good for him and the lives of the unborn.

Even more, I want a change of heart for him–to realize the value of a life in the womb. (I hope he changes his mind on other things too, but this is the big issue for me).

Something tells me that Paul didn’t support Nero, he wouldn’t have voted for him.. he obeyed him.. he probably loved him. Very different and perhaps more difficult.

I think your right to admonish conservatives not to be mean/hateful toward him. But to desire good for someone and love them may mean not supporting them.
http://abigailsleftovers.wordpress.com/2009/01/20/hoping-for-failure/

However, what does one have to do when Obama committed sin, after sin? Impeach him? Tried that with B. Clinton, and that didn’t go anywhere. Are we even suppose to take him down, or continue to pray for him?

There’s gotta be more we can do.

I voted twice for Bush but I walked away scratching my head this last 4 years wondering what happened. I felt the same way when Clinton walked out of office. Possibly with Obama.

Yet, there are a lot of things about Obama I find impressive. I think he is the kind of statesman our nation needs. And I agree with you that he’ll win a second term. Possibly quite handily. He could work like a charm.

I won’t go as far as to say he’s God’s man…because we are all in a sense God’s men…but one thing I think some enthusiastic Obama supporters forget is that we are comparing Bush’s actions against Obama’s intentions.

I used to wait tables and popular saying was, “Your only as good as your last table.” I’m looking forward to what happens. Obama’s got a lot on his plate. He needs our prayers. Let’s hold each other accountable to do just that.

Thanks again for the support.

As a brand new reader and first time commenter, I wanted to tell you, as one curmudgeon to another, that your blog resonates with me. Keep up the good work!